so what's with all the deep tags spray painted all over the east side? [aka: the petrol boycott discussion]

kristofer

May 15, 2008 by kristofer

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I'm obsessed with the thought of revolution.. I live on the east side and ride public transit. Everywhere I go I notice 'deep' spray-painted alongside an MLK stencil or the word 'revolution', or 'love', or one of many other inspiring concepts. How do I get involved with this revolution? Who is behind it and where do you meet?

Help please..

[Edit: May 20, 2008 at 12:48pm] So it's relevant from the beginning, the deep tags make me wonder if there are other people interested in uniting to take back control of our economy and our political system. The main point of control here is with oil, so the discussion that follows hopefully won't be deviating from there too much more. How do we take the power back from the oil companies?

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randydaytona
randydaytona, May 15, 2008
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It's called vandalism, not a revolution. What these hippies don't realize is when they spray paint s--- on walls, it's our tax dollars that pay to clean that up.

kristofer
kristofer, May 15, 2008
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you don't seem to realize that the only way we beat this system of control is by uniting and spreading the "better way" message. join the revolution or continue being exploited by capitalism and fake democracy.

randydaytona
randydaytona, May 15, 2008
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Exploited by capitalism?! Hardly, you won't find a bigger support than me but we're not going to get in to that because we aren't going to agree. I'm just saying it's still vandalism and we have to pay for it when these idiots make a mess.

That's the real out of control system: the tax system. We're all supposed to be "equal" until it comes to tax time...makes sense.

Dexter
Dexter, May 15, 2008
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Kristofer you should watch out. I peronally think the government is behind the spray painting. The government may put out subtle messages (via graffitti) to people who hold ideas of revolution. When people respond to the messages, via online message board for example, then the government knows who to watch. It's a trap.

kristofer
kristofer, May 15, 2008
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meh, I have rights as a citizen and a consumer. the only way to beat this system of control is to unite. The only way to stop the rising cost of [gas, goods and services, food, transit, etc] is with a united consumer stand. somebody is brave enough to make it public (with graffiti or otherwise) and it's time for the rest of us to strive for change as well.

thelaughingman
thelaughingman, May 15, 2008
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American, and by extension, a lot of modern democracy to me seems to be the perfect farce. After all, the greatest trick is to convince people of it's absence. It seems like the perfect cover. What can be better than an illusion of freedom for those who mean to enslave?

Democracy is the ideal product. The ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy. The democratic politician does not sell the product to the consumer. He sells the consumer to the product. The freedom merchant does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He simplifies and degrades his client.

"Choice is an illusion created by those with power for those without."

randydaytona
randydaytona, May 15, 2008
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Oh my God, do you even know what economics is? Those costs rise because of inflation and supply and demand. For example there is less gas than people want so it's more expensive. Gas prices raise the price of things like food which depend on gas to be shipped. This isn't some conspiracy by a bunch of guys trying to get rich. Yeah, they want to make money - that's why they are in business but they can't control the price 100%. A revolution against "the man" isn't going to stop the fact of supply and demand.

johnnyglucose
johnnyglucose, May 15, 2008
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And that's why spray paint is so danged expensive...all those graffiti artists. And the Krylon executives are laughing all the way to their Swiss banks.

joe.shearer
joe.shearer, May 15, 2008
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Right. I heard Don Rumsfeld held controlling interest in two different spray paint manufacturers, and Dubya is on the board of directors at Champion.

thelaughingman
thelaughingman, May 15, 2008
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All this information about spray paint manufacturing firms being owned and controlled by men in positions of immense power does not surprise me at all. It is, however, an ironic stab in the back for those who would fall for things like the ones mentioned above.

thelaughingman
thelaughingman, May 15, 2008
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I completely agree with the fact that "A revolution against "the man" isn't going to stop the fact of supply and demand."... because there are certain inescapable downsides to the structure of human society, regardless of how it is organized. So fundamental are these faults, that they seem to emanate from the existence of "society" itself, rather than the conscious efforts of a section of people who are in power and who intend to remain in power.

Communism is a solution I have often heard voiced from radicals. However, where I come from, I have seen it fail miserably. It is all wonderful for the first generation. But their offspring, a generation no longer driven and motivated by the emotions, needs and situations of the preceding one, cry about the unfairness of the world. Want in man cannot be eliminated no matter what. Communism slowly filters into an oligarchy. Revolution only creates a temporary displacement of power. However, over time the systems of man are slowly and gradually put back in place.

kristofer
kristofer, May 15, 2008
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Supply and demand have everything to do with the rising cost of living for consumers. Arabs don't drive Toyota's, they drive Bentley's. It's because oil companies limit production. There is an artificial limit on supply, so prices go up. It may not be a conspiracy, but it's still exploiting the fact that people need oil in their daily lives.

You can continue to complain about the rising cost of living.. but the only way to change that is to change the way we travel and transport goods.

Anyone that uses their brain can see that the cost of oil is rising. The cost of living is rising.. meanwhile, oil companies are reporting record profits. The UAE is engineering palm tree shaped islands with tennis courts a mile high. Saudi Arabian students go to American Colleges free of charge because of oil contracts with the US government.

I'm not screaming about a conspiracy. There's nothing I personally can do about a struggling economy either. There is something WE can do though.

On a side note: Graffiti is vandalism, but what is advertising? I certainly didn't pay my cable bill to see commercials on TV. I don't pay taxes for public parks so I can see billboards from the canal..

Firebelly
Firebelly, May 15, 2008
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Graffiti is great. Love it. Bring more. Better than more sprint ads. I agree with Kristofer. The graffiti in Broadripple and the Monon trail is awesome. Its our public art. If people are disenfranchised and want to make art - its cool. If it defaces a building - then maybe the building needs to proactively get graffiti on it anyway.

As for the guy with the simple viewpoints on demand and inflation - man I envy your viewpoint. Id probably be a lot happier if I could blame everything on somene else too. And if you're so concerned about your taxes - how do you deal with the huge colts stadium, the cost overrun on the library - wait whats the monthly cost of the war in Iraq?

Dude - its graffiti. Relax.

randydaytona
randydaytona, May 15, 2008
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Yeah, I'm the one blaming my problems on someone else calling for a "revolution".....Those viewpoints are simple - yes, and also true. As for those things yeah it sucks we have to spend so much money on them but I'd rather my tax money go to things that benefit me, all three of those, then paying to clean up someone's vandalism or someone shooting out babies she can't afford.

kristofer
kristofer, May 16, 2008
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There's no need to be so defensive. I'm not blaming my personal problems on anyone. We all have some common issues though, and it's about time we the people took control of our failing economic and governmental systems.

diamonddiva
diamonddiva, May 16, 2008
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3 cheers for the graffiti artist on the east side who is spraying "deep love" on everything. FINALLY, someone who isn't into spraying gang graffiti on every garage and fence in my neighborhood! One of this person's messages is "gangs r gay"-I would suggest that's a GOOD message, and I personally am very happy to see someone who ISN'T into the gangsta thing! I don't give 2 cents about the economics of the whole thing-I LIVE in this area and I'm sick to death of being literally held hostage by the thugs and gangsta wanna-be's who are destroying my beautiful area. Keep on spraying your "deep love" message-its one we ALL need to hear!

Drinky_McGee
Drinky_McGee, May 16, 2008
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There are gay gangs? I didn't think they existed outside of West Side Story, but if you say so. Do they eat at English Ivy's?

thelaughingman
thelaughingman, May 16, 2008
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If graffiti and similar public art serves as a medium for the disenfranchised masses to speak out, so be it. It is still a far better thing than attempting to play on with this ubiquitous, pretentious sense of simpering, superficial fraternity.

And yes, if tax dollars are a concern, there is a whole world of options to siphon your disagreement at, some of which are far more significant, than graffiti.

kristofer
kristofer, May 16, 2008
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thank you bob, for bringing it all back home..

randydaytona
randydaytona, May 16, 2008
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It's still vandalism and AGAINST THE LAW. Some people don't want the walls spray painted with "art" where they live.

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