http://www.indy.com/posts/7627 en-us Drinky_McGee American Splendor is one of those movies that I watch every few months to get inspired. Great stuff. As for Sin City, ugh. I couldn't care less about the use of child molestation in the film. Jebus knows it's a common enough occurrence that to strike it from movies, books, etc. would create an utterly false representation of the world. My problem with Sin City was that, although it looked spectacular, the writing was a big slice of rancid Velveeta. Nearly bad enough to be good, but not quite. It's precisely the kind of writing that comic books were made for, which is probably where that kind of writing needs to stay. Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:11:07 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21620 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21620 irratebass No Sin City???? Whoops, Rictor mentioned it, helps to read threads sometimes hehe. Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:03:21 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21619 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21619 joe.shearer That's exactly why I was sure to include "American Splendor," which is also not a superhero movie as the rest of them are. Good point too about Sin City. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:10:20 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21563 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21563 rictor Ghost World is a favorite of mine and fairly faithful to the original comic as Daniel Clowes wrote both the film and comic. Strangely, he chose to change much of the plot and dialogue for the film, although the original feel and concept of the comic is kept intact. It's definitely not a traditional comic book movie, however, and wouldn't necessarily appeal to fans of super hero comics or films. Men In Black, I thought, was much better than the comic book, which I have read. Sin City was probably the most faithful adaption of a comic book ever, and deserves a special place in comic film history for proving the Hollywood doesn't have to change anything about the comic to turn it into a successful film. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:07:55 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21561 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21561 joe.shearer I posted a thread about this topic...let's move the discussion for it over there, shall we? It's an interesting topic that deserves full discourse away from the trifle of "best comic book movies." :) Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:07:47 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21550 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21550 Victory33 So a plot about murdering someone is alright, but molestation is too taboo? The kid didn't get molested, it never ended up happening....that was the whole point of the comic, to stop the villain. The good guys wins, for me it put a real feel to the whole comic. Bad guys don't always just want to kill and take over the hero, they are corrupt and don't just care about money. Sin City is a little more realistic comic than Superman. To me, murder is worse than molestation...and murder is all that goes on in comic books. The Joker murdered Batman's parents in front of their son in the Burton Batman you praise. Spiderman's uncle was murdered...death is all around. The villains are trying to murder a bunch of people, kids included in most cases, it just might not be directly stated. Green Goblin tried to kill a whole train cart full of people...a lot of kids were in there. So why is talk of molestation soo horrible...but murder is fine? Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:05:58 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21549 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21549 joe.shearer I had considered a "best gadgets" thread as well, and the shark repellant Bat-Spray would have been on the top of the list. I have a definite warm spot for the first Burton Batman, but that film has some flaws. The final battle was really underwhelming, for one, and it definitely kicked off the "villain is more important than Batman" tone for the rest of the films, which got tiresome really quickly. And WTF is Robert Wuhl doing in that movie at all? But Nicholson's Joker is great, no doubt. Interesting comment about Sin City, and that's an excellent topic of conversation that I don't think we've had on indy.com. I'll post a thread about it soon and we can discuss it at more length. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:54:35 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21548 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21548 AbominaNoel I disagree with everybody. The original Batman movie made with Adam West was by far the best. It carried the spirit of the comic at the time and still holds up today. I could watch it everyday and never grow tired of it, it's entertainment in every sense. The second best was the version of Batman made with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson. Jack's turn at playing the Joker made the movie a classic. Don't even mention Sin City in this list, I couldn't even make it through viewing it at the theater. Anytime a plot utilizes child molestation to advance the story, I will never, ever respect the talents of the writer. If a person wants to profit off of such misery and abomination, it just shows their lack of skill as well as respect for their fellow human beings. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:48:48 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21547 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21547 Victory33 Can't wait for that post...bring on the Catwoman sequel already! Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:41:37 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21546 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21546 joe.shearer I came thisclose to adding "Oldboy" to the list. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:34:42 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21545 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21545 Ben Neff "V for Vendetta," "300," "Sin City," "Hellboy," "Blade" and the original "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" are all notable. I enjoyed all of them. And yes, "Ghost World" is an excellent movie. Steve Buscemi and Thora Birch are hilarious together. If documentaries count, I'd also add "Crumb" to the list. It would require another post to cover all of the excellent anime movies based on manga comics. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:30:27 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21544 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21544 joe.shearer Re: Howard the Duck, I am planning a "worst comic book movies" thread for later in the week! :) I do like your other choices as well. Sin City especially is right there among the best also. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:22:45 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21543 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21543 Victory33 No "Howard the Duck"?!....Jokes. Great list...some of my favorites also include: Sin City, it was filmed like an actual comic book, quite entertaining display and effects... Men in Black, that made for a classic flick. A History of Violence, based off of a Graphic novel...that movie was great. Blade 2 was pretty stellar too. Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:21:00 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21542 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21542 TulsaBelle I am looking forward to seeing Iron Man but my favorite are still the old Superman movies. I was disappointed with Batman Begins because I love the original so much. However, my HB who never saw the original liked Batman Begins more (after seeing the first later on). I am so happy that the old comics are making such a comeback...now for an Archie movie! Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:20:31 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21541 http://www.indy.com/posts/7627#comment_21541