http://www.indy.com/posts/2946 en-us TAKA no problem, i was just commenting on Essex ignorant remarks. Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:48:31 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_11110 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_11110 Chris Vannoy TAKA: http://www.indy.com/posts/3566 That should explain it ... no malice (aside from our server software). Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:44:07 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10918 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10918 TAKA hmm my comment was erased. Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:19:38 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10917 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10917 Ben Neff According to wikipedia, Essex could be right. It does mention property. But it might be the case that whoever did this dislikes the idea of using religion in advertisements. They're not necessarily someone hateful toward all Christians. Or maybe, as INdeed mentioned, they just wanted to add something to a graffiti hotspot. Here's the wikipedia definition if you're curious: Hate crimes (also known as bias motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social group, usually defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation.[1] Hate crimes differ from conventional crime because they are not directed simply at an individual, but are meant to cause fear and intimidation in an entire group or class of people. Hate crime can take many forms. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:49:48 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10846 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10846 Essex Actually, I was alluding to the fact that there was/is a victim(s), the Mike's car wash people. They paid for a message on a space for a particular amount of time and had a reasonable assumption that their message would be on that space, unaltered, for that time. Here is a novel idea, if someone has a differing view that they would like to post on that space, contact the sign owner and pay for it. The conversation on this thread is an interesting one in that it is more than just an exchange of ideas. It has also shown a surprising level of intolerance for the rights of others. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:25:14 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10838 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10838 Matt.Gonzales Indeed (and obviously, I would think), I was not being literal with the post title. Anyone can see that neither the real Jesus or Mary were literally victimized. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:36:05 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10809 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10809 benjamindy Dead/Fictional people can't be victimized. It's my assumption that the author was not being literal in that sense. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:30:48 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10806 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10806 Essex "No one was victimized here." Since that claim was stated in the title, perhaps you should convey that thought to the author. "Also, thanks for the law lesson, I didn't know vandalism was a crime. I'll make sure and write it down." You're welcome. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:25:43 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10804 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10804 benjamindy Hate crime? Seriously? No one was victimized here. Also, thanks for the law lesson, I didn't know vandalism was a crime. I'll make sure and write it down. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:31:01 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10737 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10737 Essex "I condone the vandalism of garbage like this 100%." Vandalism is a crime. Condoning crime can be a slippery slope. "they really lucked into the perfect situation when Mike's put the God ad up." Doesn't this "perfect situation" really allude to a perfect crime because it was a Christion God message? That makes this a hate crime. "...it was pretty brave..." People who commit hate crimes are now brave? "it's beautiful." Hate crimes are beautiful? "It's very nice work. I'd call it art." Are all hate crimes art, or just ones done by brave criminals who victimize individuals from one demographic who exercise their first amendment right? Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:35:03 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10723 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10723 rictor It's very nice work. I'd call it art. I prefer this to the kids who feel the need to tag everything with their initials or gang insignias. Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:03:39 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10683 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10683 Shelvira I wish SoBro were called Soul Glow. Let your soul glow. Mike's carwash will make your car glow and your soul glow apparently. Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:18:15 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10679 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_10679 IndyCurmudgeon We know it is Indianapolis, friend. "SoBro" is in reference to the neighborhood/area of Indy. SoBro (north of 46th street at least) is hardly a Ghetto. Most of my neighbors would disagree with you or at least ignore your juvenile comments since they possess a quality you obviously lack... Manners! I will write Santa a letter on behalf of my new friend Zodone; maybe I can convince Santa to bring you a gift certificate to cover your tuition to a good Finishing School where you may learn how to be a proper lady. Cheers! Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:44:26 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9587 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9587 benjamindy Wait, you think that area is the "ghetto?" You're delusional! Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:21:35 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9586 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9586 zodone SoBro/ South Broad Ripple? I THINK ITS CALLED INDIANAPOLIS DUMB ASS. LOL I LIKE SOBRO, EVEN RHYMES WITH ITS TRUE NAME "GHETTO". Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:57:02 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9585 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9585 IndyCurmudgeon P.S. At least we don't try to call ourselves "East Meridian Kessler"....What would that we shortened into, something like "EMerKess"? Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:40:30 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9575 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9575 IndyCurmudgeon The reference of "South Broad Ripple" or "SoBro" is not simply a realtors' trick to boost prices or make it seem more hip. People in and around Indy have referre to the area as SoBro because it borders Broad Ripple to the South (total mindblower, I know!). Unlike Broad Ripple, SoBro does offer affordable housing and is the friendliest, most diverse communities in the entire Metro area! We also have a fairly affordable tax rate, unlike those people on the other side of College who live in "Meridian Kessler", are forced to pay the higher taxes but without truly being located in Meridian Kessler Proper. Cheers! Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:49:50 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9562 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9562 ASquared Haha, keep your eyes "PEEL-ed" I can obviously see why someone religious would find this offensive... However, using God/Jesus/Jehovah/Brahma/Vishnu/Zoroaster/Allah/Satan to sell your product is at the least tacky if not downright hypocritical. Definitely art. Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:55:07 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9548 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9548 weatherman it's beautiful. Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:36 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9543 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9543 benjamindy Thanks, Dad. Also, what do you want to call the area? Arsenal Park? No matter what you call it the 54th/52nd/49th & College intersections are great examples of what Indianapolis needs more of to connect neighborhoods and areas of town. Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:37:21 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9537 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9537 archetype Vandalizing someone else's stuff is a crime. You wouldn't want someone spraypainting the side of your house or your car. Also... Seems like lots of folks have fallen for the realtors' trick of calling this area South Broad Ripple to see if they could boost prices or make it seem more hip. They've been trying this since the '80s and since that time the hip end of the spectrum has been trying desperately to make the word SoBro catch on. Very little about the area is like Broad Ripple. Not the houses, the businesses, or the population. Unless you want to keep adjusting your "it looks superficially like Broad Ripple" filter until it looks like you want. Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:25:47 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9528 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9528 zodone Any new photos??? Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22:50 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9372 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9372 Batman It started to peel off almost immediately - probably fell off after a couple days. My wife said it was barely attached on Thursday morning. Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:15:01 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9342 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9342 zodone Just went to check it out and looks like they fixed it. That was fast. [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2125/mikes0001dz1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] I think this is pathetic and cowardly to use Christ as a marketing tool for a car wash. Christ died and washed away my SINS with his blood, not the dirt on my CAR bro. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:16:11 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9315 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9315 benjamindy Religion ruins everything. Also, using jesus/god to promote your business is ultra tacky. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:41:16 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9307 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9307 TAKA dearest jesus freak, 1)I think your facts are a bit skewed on street art being on blank canvasses, hence the name "street" art. 2)i thought it was pretty brave being done in NOT the middle of the night, but at 7pm with a street full of onlookers. but your right it was cowardly and a bit pathetic, it should have been atleast 3 times that size. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:10:39 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9295 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9295 URBAN I think this is pathetic and cowardly -street art when it was originated was to tag blank canvasses...not deface something with a religious message in the middle of the night. Evil will always be overcome by good though. Call me a Jesus freak if you want. I wonder why so many people are irritated by Christ themes and Christ? if you dont stand for something you will fall for anything! Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:58:32 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9292 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9292 TAKA WOW what an amazing piece of.... dare i say "art"? :D Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:43:24 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9291 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9291 INdeed... Yup Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:01:03 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9268 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9268 Matt.Gonzales Mike's hasn't remarked on it as far as I know. But I imagine their mood after finding out about it fell somewhere between frustration and total outrage. Was that a wheatpasting, by the way? That's what I was guessing, but I couldn't tell from the picture. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:57:53 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9267 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9267 INdeed... BTW, any idea on what Mike's had to say? Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:37:02 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9262 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9262 INdeed... As far as I know this is the first altered billboard in Indy by means other than spraypaint. It's a milestone in Indianapolis street-art. Keep your eyes peeled because this makes everyone in the Indy street art community want to step their game up... Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:35:24 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9261 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9261 Matt.Gonzales I hear you, Indeed. It detracts from the genius of the placement of this piece to assume the whole Jesus and Mary thing was merely a coincidence. At any rate, if they were planning to do it no matter what was on the billboard, they really lucked into the perfect situation when Mike's put the God ad up. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:15:07 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9260 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9260 INdeed... Like you mentioned, this billboard has been hotspot for graffiti in the past. Great visibility, (somewhat) easy access and high traffic all make this an irresistable target. (not to mention its on top of one of the few places in Indy that sells graff and streetart related publications) Im not saying that the message had nothing to do with the "vandals" motivations, but I dont think it was the sole reason for the placement on that billboard. I believe it would have shown up regardless. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:33:39 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9257 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9257 Matt.Gonzales So you're telling me it's a coincidence that the Christian message had nothing whatsoever to do with the vandals' decision to hit it? That's very hard to believe. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:09:32 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9253 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9253 benjamindy Sure, but "art" is always in the eye of the beholder, this isn't something that is definitive. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:40:17 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9243 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9243 INdeed... TAKA is the man!!! I think that, perhaps, you are reading a little more into this than is necessary. It's an excellent spot with high visibility... I think that was the motive behind choosing this particular billboard. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:50:27 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9232 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9232 Matt.Gonzales Benjamindy: You approve of this vandalism -- would you say it qualifies as art? Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:15:43 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9215 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9215 benjamindy Billboards are psychological litter. I condone the vandalism of garbage like this 100%. Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:10:03 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9164 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9164 she.does.hair Car cleanliness is next to Godliness! Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:36:42 -0500 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9157 http://www.indy.com/posts/2946#comment_9157