http://www.indy.com/posts/10150 en-us MSguided You are my new hero! After awhile I just figured getstumpy was on Supergrass payroll. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:31:49 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26211 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26211 sydb1974 I was at the Conseco Fieldhouse for the Foo Fighters show. But my main reason was to see Supergrass . Yeah. I'm in the minority here. And I love FF. I saw them in Bloomington a few years back as part of the three band bill of Muse?/Foo Fighters/Red Hot Chili Peppers. And I love Dave Grohl. And thanks to Dave Grohl, I saw one of my favorite Britpop bands come to Indianapolis. Thank you Dave Grohl! I respect the opinions of those that didn't like Supergrass. How can you when they're presented in one of the crappiest sounding venues in the country? I've been to plenty of shows at Conseco and the place is a REVERB fest. I was at the first ever concert there in 99 (Springsteen anyone?) and knew it was going to be trouble from the get go. The reason why there were only about 10K there was the fact that the balcony was CLOSED on the sides. Draped over. But I digress. Back to Supergrass. As a fan that has been listening to them since 94-95, I was only disappointed that they only played about 6 songs. Yes, I am a fan. but lets look at the situation OBJECTIVELY. first, you have a band that has bounced around from US label to US label. they have little to no marketing support in the US, where trends come and go as quickly as a flu virus. compound onto that, bringing supergrass into a market where radioplay for them has been nonexistent. X103 who has been "modern" rock for a decade still survives on playing 90's era STP and Pearl Jam. 92.3, who tries to be cool, has too many other types of music on their playlist. they are only about half-progressive in nurturing new music. not that Supergrass is new, but it's new to Indiana. I get that with the poor acoustics and scene that is Conseco and Indianapolis, that many wouldn't take to Supergrass, and still won't. but you haven't had them pounded into your head like Disturbed, Foo Fighters, System of a Down, Stone Temple Pilots, and the rest of X103's playlist. maybe it would be different, maybe it wouldn't. all i know is that i liked 2/3rds of the show and was happy with the product put out there. thanks again to dave grohl for selecting supergrass! Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:07:01 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26160 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26160 IndianaYankee Dude...my point on that comment was that it is not the norm to have one. I was not trying to imply that they are the only group to do so. Kudos to you for pointing that out, thanks. Parting shot........have to agree that the sound at Conseco sukd.(and I was on the corner of the first tier balcony) But then again, the acoustics in that place have ALWAYS sukd since opening night!!! My point still stands that this was a great show! Probably the best this town will see this year. Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:21:46 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26142 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26142 redletterdays01 Answer to the quiz: John Mellencamp has had one for 30 years. Bruce Springsteen has had one on many tours. The Corrs have used them before, but I don't know if they qualify as a "top rock" group. And to fill in my alternative band slot, the Smashing Pumpkins used them quite a bit in the past I think. We could all name the obvious...Dave Matthews Band's Boyd Tinsley. Yellowcard also brought some violin into the pop music scene. Prog originals ELO also used them a lot. Even southern acts like Lynyrd Skynyrd and Charlie Daniels have used them. But they technically use fiddles, right? Dexy's Midnight Runners dominated the charts with one, but they quickly faded. But after saying that, I'd have to say from an outsiders view that the FF is at least a little refreshing in the struggling scene that is pop rock. They seem to do a good job of separating themselves from the macho-rockers Hinder, Nickleback, etc. I don't listen any of them much and I can clearly tell that. Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:26:52 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26105 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_26105 concertfreak1965 i thought the foo fighters sounded great.i generally dont like conseco for concerts either..i try mostly to keep it at verizon or the music mill is also a good place to go the emerson theater on 10th st is not bad,if you want to see some new artist play..i havent been to the emerson theater since i saw the sold out out kelly osbourne concert there the vogue is ok but my last concert there was the bacon brothers about 11 years ago l.o.l take care everybody Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:13:37 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25998 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25998 MIahKnows Hey .Stefanie, I know you'd think that we're talking about the Foo Fighters, but we're all arguing about Supergrass. They were on the clueless soundtrack. But nonetheless, I thought the Foo Fighters were great! And I totally agree that an individual that is not familiar with the band would love them. 5 people were with me who had vague knowledge of the Foos and absolutely loved the show.....BUT we're talking about freakin' Supergrass! And getstumpy will say his opinion again and again and again and again and again and again.....and then wonder why people find him annoying. Because the Foo Fighters (a rock band) did not completely swirl the formula for a rock show. Can you belive that Taylor did a drum solo? Hello! That is sooo 1984. God its all been done before! I mean EVERY rock band drops a stage in the middle of the floor and performs an acoustic set with Pat Smear, an accordian, aux perc., violin etc......and you know drinks beer and talks to the crowd like we're all just hanging out together. Right getstumpy? Its just not good enough is it.......BUT SUPERGRASS OH MAN.....er wait.....they didnt do anything either or anywhere near as cool as the Foo.....in fact....all I recall is song song song song "goodnight".....Maybe getstumpy if you'd just relax and enjoy things instead of bitching and knit picking you'd be a better listener. Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:24:43 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25992 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25992 .Stefanie. I've been to three Foo Fighters show on this tour, Dallas, Minneapolis, and here, and Dave Grohl says that line, "What took you so long?" at each show. The sound at Conseco was the worst of all three concerts, and that's sucks since it's a newer building. The Target Center is the absolute worst place to see a show, so I was surprised how crappy it was here, but it's the Foo Fighters, I'd listen to them anywhere. They are still in my opinion one of the best bands that anyone, even someone who doesn't know there music, could go to the show and have an awesome time. Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:13:25 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25985 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25985 concertfreak1965 i think obammo would make a lousy president,probably worse then bush paul stanley-lead singer of kiss for president Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:29:22 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25983 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25983 getstumpy Still not offering a rational explanation for your opinion concertfreak. I'm not asking for anyone to agree with me, just looking for something more than "they suck" to justify that perspective. As long as there's Nickelback, Supergrass has nothing to worry about. This is old, but always worth revisiting: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4258547 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:09:50 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25976 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25976 concertfreak1965 janet jackson for president..that will teach for typing in the dark.l.o.l supergrass sucked Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:40:45 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25974 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25974 concertfreak1965 supergrass sucked plain and simple. jamest jackson for president of the usa Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:39:17 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25973 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25973 getstumpy I've said nothing negative about the Foo Fighters. I like them and I enjoyed the show! I've made no mention or allusion to Clueless. I wasn't the one who brought up Supergrass in this thread. I called people out who didn't support their opinion with evidence and stated my opinion with reasons for it. Is that somehow inappropriate? I've used no language that is insulting or belittling. I asked a few simple questions and for some reason you took offense. Perhaps I struck a nerve? I've used no juvenile forms of expression such as exaggerated punctuation, mobile text jargon, or the wrong contraction of "you are." 10,000 is a pretty good number, but given an eight year absence and 16,000 or so capacity, I would imagine the Foo Fighters' bean counters aren't too impressed. Maybe I am the only one in Indianapolis who cares about Supergrass (I know that's not true, but ignorance doesn't like facts). Maybe that's why Indy has the reputation of being a cultural wasteland. Other cities in the Midwest have embraced them with open arms instead of open hostility. There's a few of us trying to change that. I see now that the challenge is greater than expected. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:35:35 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25972 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25972 MIahKnows One more thing...."Come on!" and "Give it a rest" were not out of fear, but simply that you are the only one in this world arguing over supergrass. Seriously. Noone cares little guy. We're talking about Dave Grohl. Alicia Silverstone for president! Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:00:42 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25966 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25966 MIahKnows Sheep? lol. ONLY 10,000? lol. The article is about the Foo Fighters and you guys are arguing about the clueless soundtrack. From what you've wrote I can tell your 14. Afraid? lol.....you are so 14. I like how you're attempting to belittle me by the number of concerts Ive attended BECAUSE...pay attention here....BECAUSE I stuck up for the Foo Fighters. Enjoy another Friday night at home with your clueless soundtrack, Oh and have a great High school sophomore year kid. Afraid?......hilarious... Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:23 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25965 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25965 getstumpy How many concerts have you been to MlahKnows? I've been to a few hundred and have seen the same crowd-baiting maneuvers dozens of times. It's effective, it's fun, but it is in no way pioneering. Getting people to act like sheep impresses you? I think we'll be lucky to see Foo Fighters in Indy again. After eight years we could only sell 10,000 tickets? That's about 1/3 empty for concerts. I'm curious to see what the attendance figures are on the other stops of the tour. I care about Supergrass and you don't. What's your point? Maybe you should start attending concerts with no opening acts so that you only get what you pay for. Why the "Come on!" and "give it a rest"? Is it fair for you to state your opinion and not allow others to respond? What are you afraid of? Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:36:45 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25964 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25964 Correctomundo DL...you were right. The mix wasn't impressive. The violin was inaudible, the bass was nonexistent, and the backing vocals were too low. There was too much guitar and kick drum as well. That being said, please don't compare them to the regurgitated crap that is released and played by the talentless Green Day. They have released the same album every time since Dookie. Kudos to you for standing up for Supergrass. I agree with your comments. The general public might appreciate different styles of music if they weren't force fed the bubble gum crap from the local pop-stations, or the same garbage over and over on the local rock station. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:56:40 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25958 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25958 gilmanco Bravo, two thumbs and two big toes way up in the air!!!!! I think I may have just heard 10,000 fans applauding! Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:12:58 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25953 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25953 MIahKnows And who cares about Supergrass anyway?? I mean they were okay, but the anticipation for the Foo Fighters totally outweighed them. Supergrass...............werent they on the "Clueless" soundtrack?.......give it a rest. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:10:37 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25952 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25952 MIahKnows Ok, Ive been reading all these comments and I feel it's time to represent from the best Foo Fighters fan (since the beginning!). Mr. Lindquist, I think you misunderstood Grohl's comment on "What took you so long....". I highly doubt he was implying that we, Indianapolis, are at fault for "catching him for the first time". He knows his schedule and Im sure is quite aware the Foo Fighters hadn't been in Indy for years. I suggest you find the transcripts and fix your error. Second, I wasnt at the Green Day show. I know people who were there and I was told it was a fantastic GREEN DAY show. But! To say that Grohl lacked control or was off his game as host is completely wrong. What makes you think this? I recall Grohl coming out to the stage to tremendous applause as he walked up and down the runway. When Grohl spoke on the main stage Conseco was dead quiet. When Grohl and band went out to the smaller stage do you remember when he got the WHOLE ARENA SCREAMING.....then shushed them to be still.......THEN GOT THEM SCREAMING AGAIN. 10,000 people Mr. Lindquist. 10,000 people were ALL watching him and freely interacted, laughed, and understood him. I loved how he took the time to introduce the band each and spoke freely to the crowd. It was the most interpersonal display of communication between one man and 10,000 people Ive seen. And you know what made that show better than the Green Day show you refer to? It didnt have a political motive. There was no bashing of politicains or propaganda or trying to sway a vote. We were all there to forget about all of the hassles in our lives with the failing economy, the war, the gas prices, all of it.....for just a couple of hours and to have fun with great music. I was looking around when the band was on the smaller stage and I swear everyone was having the time of their life (no pun intended). It was simply a fantastic rock arena show by arguably the best rock bands around today. Dave Grohl is a dying breed Mr. Lindquist. He's talented and original. Im willing to bet 10,000 people would all agree with me. And to say he lacked control as host is wrong. I think your grasping at straws. We need bands like the Foo Fighters to come here and visit more often, please dont give them any doubt with a lame reason like that. Especially one with no backing evidence........Thanks. OH and Im curious to what shows ggoodin thinks is better than the Foo Fighters that have been around here. I havent seen any shows that good in a long time if not ever. Another case of statement with no evidence. Come on! Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:04:14 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25951 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25951 MSguided Not to mention the now self proclaimed hair extensions! Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:21:20 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25936 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25936 David Lindquist I don't know. Grohl was pretty attractive in the "Low" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6NXBAfkCaQ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:08:39 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25930 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25930 gilmanco Hey, remember when Dave L. said he would rather kiss Billie Jo Armstrong than Dave Grohl? :) Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:03:08 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25928 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25928 getstumpy There are two things working here: taste and quality. Taste is subjective and is based on personal preference, quality is objective and is based on observable criteria. People confuse the two all the time. Millions love Nickelback, even though they aren't any good. I prefer sirloin even though ribeye is generally considered a higher quality cut of steak. Many of the critical comments against Supergrass went beyond "I didn't like it" (taste) and into "they sucked" (quality), without any analysis of what criteria was being used or how they failed to achieve them. Therefore, those qualitative opinions hold no merit. Most discriminating music fans would agree that both Foos and Supergrass are high quality bands. Obviously some prefer one over the other. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:18:08 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25923 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25923 TheOgles1027 Great great show! My first time seeing them and I stood for the entire 2 and a half hours they played with a smile from ear to ear! Dave makes me laugh and so did the "triangle guy"! My husband and I arrived at 7pm and hardly anyone was there! The 1st band was pretty good, if you ask me and Supergrass wasn't all that bad either! I just thought of it as my foreplay before the climax of FooFighters! In my book, I think of a good concert as one where the next day I still have a ring in my ears and I don't have a voice! I just LOVED it! Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:18:07 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25922 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25922 MSguided LOL......yes I chose to fight the ladies room lines, got my beverage of choice and sat in my seat to watch all of the bands...it was all part of the experience. It's not a perfect music world, there will always be a difference of opinion! So what concert are we going to next getstumpy? =) Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:03:48 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25919 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25919 gilmanco Step off Dave! :) Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:44:53 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25917 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25917 gilmanco No, I'm/we're not...no shots being taken at anything. I'm giving my opinion. If you had a black shirt at home and someone told you they didn't like the color black. no, even though you have many things in the color black, is that individual taking a stab at you or anyone who owns a black shirt...or better yet anything that's black? No! They're just stating they don't like color. They still like you...don't worry. Apparently you are a fan of Supergrass. I'm really glad you got a moment to arrange time with them in a studio session, but you're not going to win an argument based on personal likes or dislikes. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:42:41 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25915 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25915 David Lindquist jrobins: Seventeen concert photos are attached to this post. getstumpy: Foo Fighters severed ties w/EMI in 1999, so it's safe to say Dave Grohl invited Supergrass to be part of the bill because he digs the band. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:41:08 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25914 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25914 jrobins This was my first Foo Fighters show....it exceeded by expectations. Loved the acoustic set. I'm wondering...Did anyone get any good pics of the show. I forgot my camera and would love to have a few photos, especially of them whole group on the round stage. Please and Thanks. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:32:17 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25912 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25912 concertfreak1965 what mr.lindquist didnt go to rush....dont worry i didnt either. with youtube around i can see alot of great free shows....l.o.l dave matthews is tonight and friday,can we say puke Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:31:04 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25911 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25911 getstumpy Ah, but you do have a choice! You could have spent that time in the concourse. You could have arrived at the concert a bit later. Concert vets know that headliners usually play 1.5-2 hours, and that all-ages venues are always done by 11. So, take 2 hours from 11 and add a half hour buffer and you've got 8:30...exactly the time Foos took the stage. Supergrass was done at 8:05, so you had nearly a half hour to get to Conseco and find your seat before the Foos started. I would imagine Dave Grohl, being a sophisticated music lover of all styles and genres, had something to do with picking Supergrass, though EMI may have had a say, too (Capitol Records (Foo Fighters) and Astralwerks (Supergrass) are both under the EMI umbrella). So when you dismiss Supergrass you're also taking a shot at Grohl's taste in music. Seeing as Dave has been in two of the most popular and relevant bands of the past 20 years, I trust his ears. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:24:47 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25910 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25910 MSguided And it is a good Opinion! It seems you took the focus off of DL's "opinion"/review as well, he needs to buy you lunch! Luckily for all of us, we have the choice to listen to whomever we want, and turn off those we don't care for. In the case of supergrass, those who didn't like the music didn't have much of a choice with them being the opening band...... Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:26:09 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25903 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25903 gilmanco Would you say, in your opinion, my opinion holds no merit? I'll be clear so we can put this to bed... IT IS MY OPINION, AND ONLY AN OPINON, based on many years of attending concerts, listening to albums, discussing good & bad music,(Proof of Merit) that Supergrass, given their many years of hard work, dedication and contributions to the music world, produce music that does not appeal to myself and many others. Furthermore, until I've had the chance to listen to the "deep catalogue" of music spanning nearly 15 years, my opinion will remain, that I could give 2 sh*ts about ever hearing this band again! Last, but not least, I appreciate your opinion... Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:06:03 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25900 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25900 ggoodin It is hard to take someone's opinion on a band that seem to have admitted never listening to the band (i.e. Supergrass) outside of one 30 minute opening set. They have 6 albums worth of music, so until you have listened to a majority of their catalogue, your opinion really actually has little merit. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:54:33 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25896 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25896 Nate yeah, I don't think they would have been able to produce that sound at Verizon. Last time they were here with Chili Peppers they were at Verizon, and it was kickass, but it definately sounded better last night. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:32:06 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25837 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25837 PDubIrie ummm...Neither...dude, it was the stage set-up. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:29:30 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25836 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25836 gilmanco Kudos...maybe we'll get to see a re-birth of Hanson soon! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:19:53 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25835 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25835 MSguided The sound wasn't bad where we sat either. Was Foo at Conseco because there was a tween takeover at Verizon with the Jonas Brothers, or because they stick to arena rock?? Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:12:55 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25834 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25834 gilmanco It was Conseco...I think it also depended on where you were positioned though. The sound wasn't too bad where I was. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:49:04 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25832 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25832 ElChingon Third best rock show I've seen too! By the Foo Fighters that is. First saw them in '99 opening for Chile Peppers, then in '03 at Memphis in May festival. Much better on both occasions...and both were arena-rock type settings. Their set lists are now burdened by attempts to keep cranking out hits for 'modern' rock radio. Too bad, because Grohl continues to display that punk rock energy from his days behind the drum kit. Too bad they couldn't maintain that energy displayed in their awewome Young Man Blues cover. On a more important note, was I the only one to notice how horrific the sound was during the first four or five songs? Did they do a sound check...or is this just symptomatic of rocking in a basketball arena? And what kind of a rock venue cuts off beer sales one hour into the show??? Is this what our 'family-friendly' society has come to? That will be this rocker's last visit to Conseco for live music. Meanwhile, what promises to be the best Indy rock show of this decade arrives to Deer Creek on Aug. 3: Radiohead! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:46:25 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25831 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25831 gilmanco Actually, it does make them less relevant...how can they be on an arena-rock tour and try to play to the ear of subtlety and craft? No, you're right...I'm not the be all, end all. I also understand that my comments are merely opinions. Supergrass is obviously a good band, or they wouldn't be on tour with Foo Fighters. At one point I even remarked to a friend that they're pretty tight. But that doesn't mean I enjoyed their music. And it appears a few others may not have either. I think it's safe to say that people pay to see bands because they enjoy their music, not their fans, or the personality of the band. If that were the case, where would Oasis have been in the mid 90's? Probably playing to millions of sophisticated fans. Your argument is, Supergrass is a good band because of their deep catalog and millions of sophisticated fans. Well, neither of those backs up their ability, or in my opinion, lack of ability to please the ear. You're simply stating they work hard and get paid a lot of money to do it. I agree with that! And in that case it appears as though we may be on the same page. (Super High Five) Hear me out...Mariano Rivera is a good pitcher. Actually, he's a great pitcher. He's got a deep catalog of pitches, he works hard and I'm pretty sure he's the highest paid relief pitcher, ever. He's just better suited as a closer. And people paid to see Roger Clemens throw heat. (regardless of steroid use) In this case, in the arena rock setting, where subtlety and craft are normally put aside or perfectly blended into the high energy and great showmanship of truly GREAT band, Supergrass should be thankful to have gotten 30 minutes to play as the best damned warm-up band to ever grace the arena rock audience. Thank you Supergrass!!! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:45:22 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25830 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25830 getstumpy "end of topic for me so long" Most people who fear democratic-style debate do so because they know their ideas don't have much merit or truth behind them. So basically you're saying that you'd rather stay in the dark than consider additional information. Your conclusion is fine, but don't close your mind to additional evidence just because it doesn't jive with your original observation. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:34:05 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25826 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25826 getstumpy Yeah, that drum solo was very Alex Van Halen circa 1984. The Foos were very, very good. Dave is quite the showman. I don't know how a guy pushing 40 can keep it going like that for 2.5 hours night after night. But I agree with ggoodin in that there wasn't anything that I hadn't seen before. It was a top quality, straight ahead, arena-rock show. Everyone got their money's worth, but it's not something I'll be talking about for generations to come. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:09:55 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25821 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25821 getstumpy Sorry gilmanco, just because you say something doesn't make it true. Did you even bother to watch the Glastonbury video to which I linked? Supergrass has millions of fans around the world, not just in Britain. You can argue that they are not peaking commercially or creatively as of late, but they've got a deep catalogue of good albums and great singles. They're praised by sophisticated audiences and critics alike. They're just too subtle and crafty for the straightforward, arena-rock crowd. Obviously it's not your thing, but that doesn't make them any less relevant. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:56:50 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25820 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25820 PDubIrie ain't not thing DL, we're just the anonymous peanut gallery, whilst you consistently have the sack to say it how you feel it. Regardless of our differing opinions, please keep up the good work. All the while I reserve the right to stomp on your satchel in the future, ad nauseum. Capisci? Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:33:52 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25818 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25818 MSguided Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:30:47 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25817 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25817 jhuffbrew Hey getstumpy - cheers mate and thanks for the correction. Little bro has an uncanny resemblence to Davy Grohlton doesn't he. I was entertained by Supergrass and plan on loading my iPod with all they have - good show. To ggoonin who put the hammer on gilmanco...I've had VIP box seats at Verizon since 1997. Seen the Who twice, Clapton twice, Page/Plant (sorry for name dropping) and literally hundreds of top notch bands in by 42 years. The Foo's were top three for me too - simply because their stage precense is solid and they totally rock out...I took my 13yr old son which this was his first real rock show. I told him it's too bad that he had to see a show like this first, becasue he will compare every show from here on out to this one and be disappointed. For me, the wow moment was pretty much the whole night... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:29:57 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25816 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25816 gilmanco I agree with some points here... I could definitely go to more shows, but I've been to enough to tell you that something extraordinary was going on last night. If I can just...oh yeah, that's it...the Foo Fighters were in Indianapolis. I didn't even like the Foo Fighters until about a year ago, so there goes the biased angle. Not that it matters, but my favorite band is Led Zeppelin...maybe a little typical. But I fully appreciated the multiple guitar call and repeat sessions early in the show. I didn't take offense to Grohl asking "What took you so long?". I think he's simply acknowledging the fact that they haven't been here in a good while. But if he reads reviews like the above, it may be even longer before we see them again. Which is why Indy will never get the prime acts on prime dates like weekends. On the Supergrass subject...true, 30 minutes is not a long time...but there's a reason why they only had 30 minutes. They're a warm-up band, at best! 13 or so years proves that. By the way, I didn't come to watch a personality concert, I was there for good music and entertainment. Last but not least...that wow moment, how about the complete Taylor Hawkins drum solo...I kind of thought, wow, who does that anymore? Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:08:42 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25814 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25814 getstumpy That's Gaz and Rob Coombes's younger brother Charly. Charly stepped in last year on bass when Mick Quinn was injured and stayed on once Mick came back. I had the good fortune of arranging and attending an in-studio recording session with the band before the show. They are incredible performers in the right setting and down-to-earth, nice blokes in person. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:56:55 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25811 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25811 DmAc anyone see that dude get beat down by the stage gaurds for trying to leap on the circle stage? It was right before Everlong(i think), on the left, if you are facing the main stage. That's when DG said something about the first concert being exciting. Comedy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:54:38 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25810 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25810 ggoodin If last nights show was top 3 all-time or the best show you have ever seen, as another person put it, then you need to get out and see more shows. While the Foo's show was entertaining, it was not the greatest thing since sliced-bread that everyone is making it out to be. Grohl was funny, as usual, and they sounded great, but there was not that "wow" moment that took it to another level. I can understand that if this is your favorite band, you would have a hard time looking at this with unbiased glasses and that is no critique, as I would have the same problem. Everyone hating on Supergrass needs to realize that it is hard for bands to get their personality out, as well as their better songs, when you have 30 minutes to work with and most people there to see another band. I recommend you go through their catalog and I promise you will find a bunch of songs that you have heard, but did not realize were sung by them. They are a highly underrated band. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:40:35 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25806 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25806 FacetiousOne Almost forgot about DG destroying the acoustic guitar! He told the equipment guy "it never stays in tune anyway...". The Indy crowd was great - he wouldn't have done it if we hadn't egged him on like that. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:31:53 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25803 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25803 gilmanco Kudos to Yankee, especially about the Nicklecrap!! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:30:29 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25802 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25802 Nate and how flippin cool was it when he busted up that guitar? You just don't see stuff like that anymore. It just seems like they are having too much fun performing...that makes it more enjoyable for everyone else. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:22:53 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25800 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25800 IndianaYankee dave....are you SURE you were at the same show last night and not in some heavily drug induced coma? Off is game as host??? You may want to ask the Doc to drop the dosage on your meds a little bit because it is keeping you from being in touch with reality dude. I am an old school rocker, and a musician as well...I have been to quite a few shows in my time. Like others have said, this was one of the best shows ever. Foo's music alone..album release wise is the only good thing going in Rock n Roll in a really long time. Unlike most of today's music scene that is canned record comapny Nickelback copying fodder....Foo is actually original and complex in their arrangements which really makes them special. Heck..how many top rock groups today can claim that they have a F/T violinist as a main part of their group? Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:00:04 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25797 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25797 FacetiousOne UNBELIEVABLE show last night. Hands down the best concert I've ever seen. Balls out the entire time, every song you could have asked for, extras like the solos & the guitar battles, the stage setup, the extra touring musicians, the pre-encore backstage vid cam, and the encore itself (finishing with Best of You - was there ever a doubt?). Crazy that they put on that show night after night. I think Indy showed them a lot of love - they'll remember that when they schedule future tour dates! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:37:39 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25793 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25793 gilmanco Try this on for size... You know that little ditty that plays when Mario dies on Mario brothers? Well, thats what I heard in my head when I read Dave's review. Bad job on the Green Day comments Dave. Listen, I've been to a few shows in my day, and last night's show was top 3 all-time. I know it may be a little hard for you to understand because they don't play down beat power chords on all of their songs, or wear mascara like some colorfully named, post-grunge-punk bands. But, dare I proclaim Foo Fighters the best damned rock band in the biz today? I Dare! I can't remember the last show I attended that had as much energy, brilliance and pure ROCK as last night's. Now, I like Green Day as much as the next guy (take that for what it's worth) But I say Foo Fighters take a"Dookie" on Green Day. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:29:41 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25792 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25792 mickdanny I think you might be on to something. I thought that guy was acting mysteriously, going in and out of the set. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:30:23 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25791 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25791 David Lindquist Because it's a day when I'm taking my lumps, I'll invite more piling on by saying the appearance of Supergrass was a gift. We heard two songs ("Lose It" and "Caught By the Fuzz") from "I Should Coco" -- one of the best albums of the '90s -- plus a brilliant cover of "Next to You" by the Police. About the Green Day reference: Last night's show was the first since Green Day's 2005 appearance that Conseco Fieldhouse resembled an arena-rock palace. On both nights, the atmosphere was tremendous. Billie Joe Armstrong effortlessly commanded his audience in the role of over-the-top court jester. To my eyes, Dave Grohl was a little off his game in the role of concert "host." Was I the only one offended when he asked "What took you so long?" to audience members who were seeing the band for the first time? He should have been aware that he was playing Indianapolis for the first time in eight years. It was big deal that the Foo Fighters were back after a lengthy and inexplicable delay ... but it didn't seem like a big deal to him. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:28:30 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25790 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25790 jhuffbrew Re: Supergrass…Am I the only one who noticed Dave Grohl playing rhythm guitar, cow bell and tambourine (stage left with the goofy sunglasses)?? Think about the Long Road to Ruin video when "Davy Grolton" is playing in the mall ect...same mannerisms and all. I could be wrong, but pretty sure I'm right. He also played what looked like the same black electric guitar at the end of the grass set that Dave played at the end of the acoustic set. Supergrass is only a 4 man outfit with never any mention of a fifth. Also, their rendition of "Next To You" by the Police (1978's Outland D'amour) was pretty killer. I think everyone's anticipation of the Foo's overshadowed a decent performance by the Grass… Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:27:47 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25789 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25789 getstumpy Probably not the best showcase for Supergrass' skills. They're British in every sense of the word and not the best fit for a Foo opener, even though both bands were born from the same era and have probably played some of the same mega-festivals. But, if you have an appreciation for Blur or Oasis, it's worth giving them a second chance in another context. Here they are performing for a six-figure audience in 2004: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOGoIW4i_S4 And here's their cheeky video for the opening song of their set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EPHk16mO20 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:19:24 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25787 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25787 concertfreak1965 even 15 mins and i was bored by supergrass,i was so happy to see them leave the stage can we say supergrass boringgggggggggggggggggg people to death last night end of topic for me so long Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:04:12 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25786 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25786 MSguided It was apprecaited that "super"grass was limited to 30 minutes..... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:55:08 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25785 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25785 erob54 You gotta give props for Dave Grohl He can sing/play guitar in Foo Fighters and was the drummer for Nirvana. EPIC Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:54:21 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25784 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25784 IndianaYankee I agree w/ ya about StupidGrass....sorry...just thought they were too Pop/Commercial for my tastes.. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:05:52 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25780 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25780 concertfreak1965 foo fighters were awesome last night,i thought supergrass sucked i hope i never have a chance to see supergrass again that band was just plain freaking horriable Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:39:59 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25779 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25779 DmAc it was sick.....plain and simple Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:58:38 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25773 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25773 MSguided Were we at the same concert as Lindquist??? Do the Green Day posters hanging on his bedroom wall distort his take on any other concert? The Foo Fighters put on an amazing show and kept the audience more than entertained the entire time! The round stage was great and let everyone in the arena have an amazing seat sometime during the night. The band's stage presence and talent kept everyone on their feet the enire night. A great mix of old and new, and no doubt one if the best shows to come to Indy! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:57:54 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25772 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25772 PDubIrie I think DL was trying to make a witty alliteration from 'Idol' to 'Idiot', maybe trying to flex his 'writing chops', as well as show his personal preference for 'make-up wearing 3 chord playing' also rans....Personally, methinks he needs to put the lighter down & step slowly away from the bong... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:55:04 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25771 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25771 Nate I couldn't agree with you guys more this guy is stuck in the 90's or something. First of all you can't really compare a "Punk" band to a classic, rock and roll "arena" rock band. I've seen both bands twice, and Foo Fighters put on a much better show. Green Day might rock the TV scree images a little more, but Foo Fighters rock the stage with more noise and talent. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:30:12 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25770 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25770 jhuffbrew How can Billie Jean Armstrong even compare to Dave Grohl and co.??? It is an insult to just mention them in the same paragraph. Hold an edge in charisma and catalog???...get a life DL. This was one of the absolute best shows of all time in my storied concert history. Anybody who gets a chance to see the Foo's next time round should not pass it up...and please don't compare the Foo's to Greenwho... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:23:44 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25769 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25769 IndianaYankee Ok...no dis-respect to Mr Lindquist in his review above.....but what do Green Day and Billie Joe have to do with this concert?!?! Now dont get me wrong...I like GD...and maybe Billie Joe has more of a catalog of songs....though I am struggling to fully believe that...maybe in terms of pop radio, WZPL type or bubblegum airplay....but charisma? What, when he is falling down drunk or H-ed up at a show or incoherantly slurring along the word to his songs? Dude, on his worst day - Dave Grohl has WAY more talent and on stage presence than Billie and GD could hope to have!!! Sorry...but its true. (I felt it.......tooo!) Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:19:07 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25768 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25768 Nate Yeah, these guys can rock an arena. I thought it was just a great mix of old stuff and new stuff. The "accoustic" set on the central round stage was really awesome. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:56:24 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25759 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25759 IndianaYankee LAST NIGHTS SHOW ROCKED!!!!! HAD A BLAST!!!! Even got Dave to say hi to me on his way out! Loved every jam! I had see Foo once before back in '03 at a Playstation E3 Party and think they sounded even BETTER last night! Thought the round stage was cool too, especially when he said to the people in the back of the arena when he made his way out there "these seats used to sck blls!, didnt they?!?!" Cant wait until they come back again! Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:47:17 -0400 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25758 http://www.indy.com/posts/10150#comment_25758